Saturday v Sunday League Enduro Race

Hey Guys

I would like to put this one out to see If this is something that would interest people. The idea is getting all of our Saturday and Sunday racers together for two enduros. 1st Race being held on a Saturday Night the second on a Sunday night more than likely not on the same weekend. The Races would be open to all TCL Vehicles as well as ORSM Unleashed V8 Supercars and would be held at Sandown and Bathurst. There would be Classes on the night based on vehicle performance so The TCL runners don't have to pick a sierra to have a shot at the win.

Ok first look at the above vehicles and like most you would think TCL vehicles would get creamed but not necessarily A little While ago Webber and myself tested TCL v V8 Supercars at Bathurst. For the V8's We set the tyre and Fuel use up high and made the 75 litre tank and soft tyres only. This meant the V8's had to stop every 7 laps I think it was. Now My times Over this period vs Webber in the sierra I believe Webber would have beaten me over a two hour race in the sierra. With the bigger tank and harder tyres it would have to stop far less. But Saying this If you put Webber in the V8 Supercar as well as the Sierra The V8 would have won. I do still think that a TCL Vehicle is still a good chance for an outright win as not all of us have the speed of webber.

As Much we wanted to make it a outright win race and we did test extensively, we came to the conclusion we can't get it to be dead even between the two mods even with weight so the night would be Class based.

If there was enough interest we could possibly look at making sure the two races are done within a calendar month and up the server to 40+slots and have nice big fields for the nights. (I would need help with costs to do this)

Ok so if this is something you would be interested in let us know here up the top secondarily would you depending on dates be looking at running both nights (different Weekends) or only be able to make one of the nights.

What about running the GT3 class instead?

GT3 is still on the cards for a series but we have had a couple of server issues with it.

Most of the saturday and Sunday guys have run these cars pretty much every weekend for well over a year so in this particalar case the idea was to put the cars we know so well against each other.

Growler wrote:What about running the GT3 class instead?

It's core Saturday night racing (v8unleashed) vs core Sunday night racing (TCL). There's probably a case for a gt3 enduro some time but this is more about the two core nights.


Edit: Yeah what Benny said!

Sounds like a great idea....

Sounds great Benny!

Sound's like something different... and cool I'd be keen... 2 or 3hrs ? which ever would be a good couple of nights love the longer format of race..

There would be Classes on the night based on vehicle performance so The TCL runners don't have to pick a sierra to have a shot at the win.

as proven so far this series the sierras have not won everything.. twr merc and skyline have all had wins?????

so i think sierra should be included... some drivers use it out of history and the meaning of the car... and most drivers can win no matter wat they in anyway...but whicever way it goes im in anyways

At Bathurst though Shano, it's been proven that no matter how hard you wring the neck of a Merc, you wont get close to a sierra, regardless of fuel or tyre wear.

However, if multiclasses are being bought in, I'll be wheeling out the trusty Merc again

With regard to the V8's, I'm not sure I'd run them, but yeh. I have had mixed feelings about them lately.

shano wrote: There would be Classes on the night based on vehicle performance so The TCL runners don't have to pick a sierra to have a shot at the win.

as proven so far this series the sierras have not won everything.. twr merc and skyline have all had wins?????

so i think sierra should be included... some drivers use it out of history and the meaning of the car... and most drivers can win no matter wat they in anyway...but whicever way it goes im in anyways

Sierra's are available what I meant was that we would work out TCL classes eg: merc bmw in a class, Maybe TWR sierra in a class (just samples not exactly as it would be)

mozza wrote:At Bathurst though Shano, it's been proven that no matter how hard you wring the neck of a Merc, you wont get close to a sierra, regardless of fuel or tyre wear.

However, if multiclasses are being bought in, I'll be wheeling out the trusty Merc again

With regard to the V8's, I'm not sure I'd run them, but yeh. I have had mixed feelings about them lately.

The Idea would be V8's are on the track against the TCL guys

Oh sorry Benny, I understood them as 2 different enduro races, one with the v8's the other with TCL lol.
Sorry.

good point mozz.... but still to have sat nite guys wit sun nite guys and a mixed field would be pretty mad no matter wat ya drivin.... and if a few tcl cars beat sum supercars that be pretty mad stuff...

cheers benny will be mad either way... but pete must run full traction control cause he well loves a burnout lol

Sounds like a great idea to me

Mozza I remember from testing that with the fuel cranked up where it will be, the Merc was still at a slight disadvantage but not a huge one due to number of pitstops required.

It will be like Le Mans with frequent pitting and courteous driving around lots of cars, trying to avoid doing a McNish from last year!!

someone say burnouts

Do we need to have a test night one night?

sounds like a great concept .im in

What are the chances of SuperTourers or PCC being added to the cars available?

Was thinking myself of an idea the other day have PM'd Kiwi to see what he thinks... Good Idea I think it would be needed to run as a seperate series or event..

The supertourers one can match the real life series, including hotswaps - but with yesterdays attendance I don't know if there will be much demand.

FlyingFijian wrote:The supertourers one can match the real life series, including hotswaps - but with yesterdays attendance I don't know if there will be much demand.

We are testing for an event or series of events and we will announce the concept if we think it is a go.

Last nights light attendance was probably due to my track choice and people having other commitments, not necessarily the mod.

Yea Me, Nukin, Sublime, Gutless & Pisstank were all having drinks for gutless's Bday.. We all thought better not to run at all then the cause issues..

Both NZ & V8's have had strong showings every week, As Kiwi said I think alot of people love the mod.

I guess my main concern would be the v8 guys giving enough respect to those who choose to run the mercs/m3s etc. Particularly when lapping them.

mozza wrote:I guess my main concern would be the v8 guys giving enough respect to those who choose to run the mercs/m3s etc. Particularly when lapping them.

To be fair, how could anyone respect someone driving a merc?
Please try and be realistic Mozza.

We would definately need a Practice possibly where everyone wanting to race must attend to get use to the speed difference as it would be pretty huge. The V8 drivers would have to be extremely carefull making passes with the speed diference at the end of the straights. But also even though it is a race the slower cars would have to be aware of the faster cars. I have run in a couple GT1 v GT2 as the slow car and everyone was pretty respectfull and it worked fine.

Sounds like fun to me , when's the test run ??

Have Set A Server Up for people to have a test We will Try and Organise a Test Night soon to make sure it is going to work. What night is best for most to have a joint Test that doesn't effect other Race nights

Server has Two Tracks Sandown Available Here And Bathurst Available Here

To Run on this server you will Need The Full TCL Package which is TCL 1.0 Available Here Aswell As TCL 1.0 to 1.1 Update Available Here And Finally You will Need the Extra Cars and Skins Available Here

All TCL Vehicles Will Be Available for this Race

For the V8 Unleashed Mod You Will need
V8 Unleashed Mod Available Here as well as the 2012 Vehicles Available Here

All V8 Supercars 2011 and 2012 Will Be available for this race. I think the server Currently has only the 2011 cars available

The Server Is Setup up All Vehicles And Tracks As Mod

YAY,, Fridays are my best chance to race Mondays and Tuesdays are out other commitments,,, Wed is offical practice day for Thursdays & Saturdays + My wife is out have Kid duties, Thrusday race so friday is usually Beers + Testing new Ideas for series & practice for V8's.

Any chance of adding the historicGT mod ???

Historic gt and tcl don't Mix very well combined in the same install so not for this race. There are plugin and real feel issues

Did some testing last night at sandown with berlsy Moz and Peter. We took the tyre wear up to 5x to see if it would included the Group 2 cars in the mix. Berlsy filled up the VLTWR put the very hards on while I add 254kg to the V8 Supercar softs only and the 75 litre tank.

I was able to only complete 8 laps between stops for fuel and tyres. Berlsy was able to complete 22 laps without a stop and my 3 third stop is lap 24 which made us pretty close over my 3 stops his one. This was around a half hour run so should work out well over the 2 hour period.

Berlsy lapped around the mid 14''s to high 15's though out the run while I was able to punch out a couple of 1m09 but unless I run around the high 10's to early 11's the tyres didn't make the distance between fuel stops. The stint I pushed the the car the whole way I actually blew the tyre at the end of the back straight on the lap I was meant to pit.

The Sierras I guess are going to be a little quicker again so going to be really interesting to see which mod wins on the night.

Mozza Run the BMW it is good for 23 laps and times aren't that far away with 15's and 16's. I don't think any of the group 2 cars would probably be in a shot for outright win on these fast tracks but I'm sure they are will suprise a few as this big cars with weight and high tyre wear over two hours going to be pretty epic.

Thanks for the help last night guys I think after the run sandown is actually better suited than bathurst for a close finish.

Did some Maths with stops and lap times for the three vehicles at Sandown
Projected Finish Based on the Sierra getting similar amount of laps to the Vl which corty was able to do the other night at Townsville.

After a Two Hour Race I have
1st V8 Supercar (Problem with this is that the lead car crosses the line with a second to go the V8 Supercar will have to stop again to make last lap to short shift majorly last stint to make it adding an additional 35's to the total time)
2nd Sierra 8 sec's Behind
3rd Vl TWR 1m44 sec's From First
4th BMW 3m 20 sec's From First

Also Take into consideration I can generally look after tyres in V8's as good as anyone and I was down to 2 red dots all four wheels at the end of each stint. Berlsy has also proved to drag great life out of tyres in the big old Commodores so don't count the small cars out completely

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3 mins 20 ey benny? Sounds like a challenge to me!

sandown yeah my race times are around the high 6's low 7's but with 254 kg i reckon add another 1.5 secs a lap not sure what the fuel/tyre wear is set at but with them set the same my set gets me threw the wholw tank pushing fairly hard .. what it means to all yor numbers im not sure but i thought i'd throw it in here

I can do 7 no drama either but the weight is massive difference to tyre wear when you push i will pm you Richo on how to go test the weight for us would be great

Had a run with weight no warm up laps full tank im getting 8 laps with about 6 litres left hmmm 8.5 per lap that'll b the 4 kgs hahahah I had to change the brake ratio down to 66 34 normally 69/31 .. as soon as you lock up a brake that tyre is punished same as rear wheel spin i took off out of pits laying down some rubber and lost 10 percent.. pretty much 1 full dot so i then turned low trac on because i could only get 6 laps and i had flats on the rear. this made the tyre life a bit better after getting used to the weight changing my setup ..(weight distribution all the way to the front stiffened the front shocks and took all the rear df off and and the brakes to the rear more) driving hard got me 1 lap in the 8's and then 4 laps in the 9's a 10 then an 11 struggled to pit lane 1 lap early being a little conservative got me an extra lap but the times where 3 9's 2 10's 2 11's and a 12 then into pit.....

conclusion locking up brakes and spinning the rears will make you majorly suffer smoothness is the key
sux to be me im tyre hungry rofl

Thanks richo that's pretty much about 7 secs quicker over the stint which to be honest is about where we would always be anyway compared to me.

I tested the sierra tonight and I can lap in the very low 14's on very hard so I can see webber racer corty being in the 12's which will actually make them a little quicker than first thought. The sierra might be getting some weight as well.

Would be great if I could get some feedback from someone quicker in a sierra what they can get out of it over there 22 or so laps.

So Basically Per 24 laps est Race to be 96 laps At The moment we have
(These times include stops and the percentage the stop takes for between Stop and lap 24)
V8 Averaging 11's 1785 seconds per 24 laps
Sierra Averaging 13's 1790 seconds per 24 laps
(If averaging 12's it becomes 1766 and we may have to look at weight)
VL Averaging 15's 1838 seconds per 24 laps
BMW Averaging 16's 1860 seconds per 25 laps

It wouldn't work over a 2 hour race but over a 30 min race we could stagger the start to BMW go at 0 VL go at 20 Sec's and Sierra and V8's go at 1min mark

Will jump on in the Sierra now and do a hot stint

edit - couldn't get steering wheel centred so only did a couple of laps, will try again tomorrow

Thanks webber

If it is a g25 or 27 could be this https://transtasmanrivals.forumotion.com/t203-tech-help-for-g25-g27-pedals-wheel

Kris JD and Kiwi all had this problem

All good it just takes an hour of being on to warm up

Webber wrote:All good it just takes an hour of being on to warm up

Due recent information which will help us all keep up with webber all races dates and times will now be made public 30 mins before the race starts

Only joking

Webber wrote:edit - couldn't get steering wheel centred so only did a couple of laps, will try again tomorrow

Tried pulling the USB cord out and back in so the wheel resets itself? (Out of game of course).

TCL VS Unleashed V8 Supercar
MADNESS, GREAT IDEA GUYS !!!
Cant wait to try it

TTR Benny
TTR kwik-kiwi
M1N1K0B3
TTR_Dano
RR1CH0
Powerslave
NuckinFuts
Sublime
manz
pisstank
POD253
Paul Fieldsy
IcemanForbes
Flying Fijian
ADF-nugget
Kyle George
gutlessmidget

All of the following drivers I assumed would be running V8's and the server has been setup to automatically add 254 kg's when you enter.

Any driver wanting to test a TCL vehicle in this list any admin can remove the weight if in the server or let me know I will remove you from the list

can i also run the v8s benny?

Moo this was just for people that wanted to go on server and test at this stage I can add you if your going the server to test but race date hasn't been set as yet

So if I jump in the TCL 254kg will be added ?

Yep but just login in as admin and /setmass 0 powerslave

cheers

me, nuckin and sublime are jumping on now to test it out if anyone is around