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Post by racer69 on 5/6/2011, 4:08 pm

...anyone who picks a BMW M3 should be wary that there will be good chance you will be disqualified post-race..... make sure you weight your bootlids! Very Happy


more information here Wink Wink

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Obbzy on 5/6/2011, 5:23 pm

racer69 wrote:...anyone who picks a BMW M3 should be wary that there will be good chance you will be disqualified post-race..... make sure you weight your bootlids!


more information here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZl155k3iaM

Pity they didn't include the Maserati Bi-turbo in this Mod. That would've been awesome fun to drive!

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Webber on 5/6/2011, 5:26 pm

Liking that result... Commos are going to be sweet on the straights here but we'll definitely be paying for it at any tracks with corners later in the season Crying or Very sad
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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Wally26 on 5/8/2011, 7:03 am

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Monza Testing - Night 1

Post by Obbzy on 5/9/2011, 10:40 pm

O.K.
Night one of testing @ Monza.
After some initial setbacks (namely thinking we were using the 'Brianza' version of Monza)
the first few laps showed that the car was VERY unstable under brakes & through corners
(that 'ol Commodore understeer that's prevalent in the TCL mod!!! affraid ).

Once the panelbeaters did their job, got the car sorted to some degree... now steers
where you point it, and the rear end ain't gonna skip out under braking.

With some good familiarisation (and a quick 5 lap race with Wally26) the times finally
went under the 2min mark.

We'll see if we can further improve things during test session 2 (later in the week).
Here's a nice shot with the LHS under load through the sweeping bend between chicane 1 & 2...



Catch yas on track soon

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Webber on 5/10/2011, 1:52 pm

Great cars great track. I love Monza it's probably up there with Suzuka for tracks I could just do lap after lap on.

Had a quick practice session today and looks like the fuel and tyres are going to make for some very interesting and balanced racing. Wally did you intend to set the damage at 100%?

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by TTR Benny on 5/10/2011, 3:22 pm

I'm pretty sure the Server was at 100%or maybe 75% through the previous TCL series

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by racer69 on 5/10/2011, 3:30 pm

yeah i think in the last series it was 100% at all tracks except Bathurst which was 75%.... from memory anyway. Wasn't too much of a problem.

What laptimes are people achieving?

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by shaynskyline on 5/10/2011, 5:14 pm

Well, you cant laugh but, i managed to get a 2:03.2xx in the M3.

But realistically, i get consistent low 2:04's -> high 2:03's.

My setup is very grippy at speed. but still needs work, cos it tends to let go when i change gears out of a corner.
Which i think is due to the on/off nature of hand controllers. but that just means i gotta be more careful.

If i got into 2:02's id be fair happy. I doubt itd happen in the race, but at least id know the setup was good. lol.

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by groupcaction on 5/10/2011, 8:24 pm

Quickest lap in the Sierra so far is a 1.56.5 , race pace seems to be mid 58's
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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Obbzy on 5/11/2011, 1:12 pm

Fastest in the VK is 1:59's...

Looks like I'll be 1 - 2 seconds per lap behind the 'aliens' amongst us.
Hopefully I can stay out of trouble on that 1st lap and get
into a nice race 'groove'. More testing later in week might find some more time???


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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by racer69 on 5/11/2011, 3:37 pm

Regarding the second race CPS, perhaps make it optional?

The big cars will have to stop, but a smaller car could take a gamble and try and do the 12 laps without a stop, could make it interesting and give the smaller cars a bigger chance, especially round a place like Monza.

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Wally26 on 5/11/2011, 9:10 pm

racer69 wrote:Regarding the second race CPS, perhaps make it optional?

The big cars will have to stop, but a smaller car could take a gamble and try and do the 12 laps without a stop, could make it interesting and give the smaller cars a bigger chance, especially round a place like Monza.

Pit as needed, server is set at x3 tyres and fuel.

PS. Can someone please assist with towing one Lambo which has become straddled on a Maccas speedhump confused
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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by shano on 5/11/2011, 9:40 pm

this is going to be mad.... i been practicing hard for this i hope i can stay consistent which i have not been doing lately....cant run 56s but am pretty steady in the 58s low 59s...
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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by racer69 on 5/11/2011, 10:01 pm

My best in the Supra is a 57 so far, but general pace is in the high 58s. In race conditions i think 58s-low 59s will be the pace with traffic etc...

There will be some interesting action into the chicanes i think.

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by elgibo on 5/12/2011, 11:17 pm

I'm managing low 1.59's in my 240T Smile Looks like its going to be a tight race in the middle Very Happy Really need to learn how to do a setup properly though. Looking forward to race day Razz

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Wally26 on 5/13/2011, 5:59 am

ok brief setup help dave...

The idea with camber is to get ten degrees between the outside and inside of tyre....
More negative camber makes the distance between inside and outside greater, more positive of course is the opposite.

When I do this, I find it easier to move the camber to the maximum negative. ie all the way minus, Go out and do a couple of timed laps.
check the camber.... anything between 8-12 difference in temperature is ok.

You will notice also the middle of the tyre has a temperature as well.... use tyre pressure to get the middle temprature as close to possible to half way between the outside and inside tyre tempratures.

If you get this right you can usually take 2 seconds off the default setups time... also front and rear bars make a huge difference.

hope that helps a little
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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Webber on 5/13/2011, 12:51 pm

^Listen to this man talk.

56.6 in the Commode.

Had an awesome practice race with Wally and Shaza which showed tyre management is definitely key, even though Monza is low wear. In the last 4 or so laps I didn't make the first chicane once.
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Post by elgibo on 5/13/2011, 4:16 pm

Thanks Wally Very Happy Very helpful - hopefully I can work it out properly now Smile
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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Obbzy on 5/14/2011, 1:21 am

Good nights testing. Managed to get in the 58's, almost 57's.
Worked mainly on tyre pressures, and little tweaks on
the bump/rebound settings seem to have the car reasonably
settled considering the pace is starting to get up there.
Consistent laps is the key. I'd say my race pace will be in the 59's
or there abouts. Looking forward to this series. I think it's gonna be
a cracker!

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Wally26 on 5/14/2011, 6:20 am

elgibo wrote:Thanks Wally Very Happy Very helpful - hopefully I can work it out properly now Smile

Some might disagree, but to me the Cambers/tyre pressures and the rear wing(i usually go as low as i can.... then get it up to when i don't spin......then adjust one at a time until i get my best time)
and the front and rear sway bars makes the most differance in a setup.... and of course gear ratios.

Wheel ...maybe a calibration before races helps as well
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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by shaynskyline on 5/14/2011, 4:37 pm

So ive been doing some (read: lots) testing at Monza, and i finally got my times to come down, the best i have managed in my M3 is a 2:01.678, which i am very happy with.

Will i be able to keep this pace in the race? I doubt it, but at least i know the car can do it. Its amazing how much you can achieve with setups and gears and such.

Thanks for the setups that ppl have donated, they were good, but im happy that my own one is getting me better times atm.

When i first started playing rFactor i never imagined id be smashing BMWs around Monza on the limits of the tyres squeezing out hundredths like i can on GT5. It was just so unstable and horrible to drive at first. But once you get used to the game and what it takes to keep the cars going around, its really great to drive and the smallest changes in setup can give you heaps of time.

If i didnt find this place id still be trying push a Renault Megane sport around the track, trying to get one clean lap.

A good clean racing series like this is great practice for getting better at the game.

Heres the most interesting shot i could find of the practice runs.



BTW, im on lap 48 atm, and its getting dark at the track haha, so awesome.

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by shaynskyline on 5/14/2011, 5:36 pm

actually, just got a 2:01.697 chasing Dano around the course.

LOVE this track/game.

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by Wally26 on 5/15/2011, 4:35 pm

Drivers Briefing

Greetings everyone.

This meeting has the potential to be the biggest meeting yet TTR has undertaken. I would like to thank everyone for their enthusiasm and assistance in creating TTR TCLWTCC87.

Due to the potential numbers at Monza, I would like to remind everyone we are all here for fun. There is no financial benefits and we aren't racing for sheepstations. This is a LONG series over 12 weeks with 11 rounds. You don't need to be the first person through the opening chicane. Please exercize caution into the first chicane so we don't end up losing half the field on turn one.

There will be some slower drivers here that will be lapped. These drivers have less experience than some of us and I would really like the experienced drivers to show their maturity when passing these cars. The lapped drivers are requested to move over so the quicker guys can get through when it is possible for you to do so. ie. when you get to a straight please allow the quicker cars through. As in real motorsports the slower cars are NOT required to drive off the road to let faster guys through.
This will be also applicable to the slower class cars on longer tracks that suit the faster cars.

Serious stuff aside, thankyou you all once again for making this series. I hope you all enjoy this series and drive according to the increasing numbers.

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Re: As a pre-cursor to Round 1 at Monza....

Post by milo on 5/15/2011, 5:34 pm

sry guys and shaza, wont be able to make it tonite, got guests over. have fun all.
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