TCL Discussion

This is the thread for pretty much anything related to TCL.

First of all i got a few questions for you guys.

1. In the TCL release there were a couple of cars put into a MISC8x season. those cars usually belonged to the Japanese JTCC or were running in the 1989 edition of the 24h Spa. In the future the JTCC will be handled just like one of the big championships, same thing will happen with the non-ETCC Spa 24h races. I Managed to get starter lists for most of the JTCC, sadly pictures are a big issue here. the famous cars usually were released as diecasts or kyosho kits, but the less-known entrants could be a real bummer. There are plenty of pictures for the Spa races thankfully.

Do you think that the cars which ran in the New Zealand races belong into their own category aswell, rather than being "just" add-on skins for the usual ATCC cars? There seem to be a fair amount of pictures and info of those races so it could be pulled off

What about Macau? would be nice to have it, but the 80's Macau races are very much a huge mistery. If you're really lucky you might find the results of a race, but pictures are almost non-exsistent. would love to see that JPS Jaguar tho

2. Should cars from other championships be in the ETCC aswell? throughout the years a number of BTCC teams entered in the Donington ETCC race aswell as the Tourist Trophy, same goes for a bunch of DTM cars in the races at the Nürburgring, Zolder and sometimes Brno. If those cars would be included it could severly change the way the grids are looking. for example in the 1988 ETCC there would be 8 additional BTCC Sierras up front, instead of just the 3 Eggenberger and the Wolf car.

3. this one is related to question 2, is there any way to change the way rF picks the opponents for races. For example if you choose to race against 30 cars it would pick the regular running cars first then completing the grid with occasional starters.

4. A shot in the dark - Is there a possibility of adding different tyre makers to the mod, without having to change everything. Everybody knows that a lot of races were decided because car A had a different tyre supplier than car B. Does anyone have any experience in that field?


Feel free to discuss those things and post new questions.

Hi T-Man,

I think there is definatly scope for making seperate sets of cars from New Zealand and Spa etc... The New Zealand races in particular have had alot of photo's crop up in recent times, particularly of the 1987 WTCC round and the earlier 1986 & 1987 January races at Wellington.

I'm not sure how much this helps given most of the front runners are ETCC regulars, but here is a clip of the opening laps of the 1986 Fuji Inter Tec 500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FIbco7FMA

and some more Japanese Group A

1988 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn6JTG9dVvY&feature=related
1989 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT0zd1zncww
1990 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZKdMJduWdw&feature=related

I thought the Misc8x files were a great idea for car skins that were from series where there wasn't enough to make a full field idea.


An idea for the 'one-offs' from for example the ETCC rounds in England or Germany, could be to, using 1988 as an example, make a category called under 1988 called 'Tourist Trophy', and have the likes of the #41 Johnson/Bowe, #33 Rouse/Sears etc.. in there (the 'wildcard' entries for want of a better word). So for example if you wanted to do a race at Silverstone with the 'regulars' and the 'wildcards', when selecting opponents you would highlight 'ETCC88' and 'TT88' which would merge them together.

I don't think you can pick & choose the grid in rfactor, so this might be the next best thing.


I know myself and David Paterson have two rfactor installs, one 'original' install which is untouched and for online etc, and a second one for offline use where we've added more colourschemes (mine are abit rough though lol) and in David's case also changed a few things to simulate the '85 Commocore and DR30 Skylines, so i'm sure we can help out where possible

I've also done alot of talent files which could be added in future as well perhaps.

Regarding different tyre brands, it is definatly worth investigating... has it been seen on any other mods?

I'd be happy to help out with doing the odd skin.
I've done a few with the ORSM V8SC's at xFactor racing,
including the Bill Patterson, Marlboro Holden Dealer Team
& Seiko 7 cars (retro is cool). I generally just go off
photos & clips, so if you need a hand, I am generally
around.
Cheers

I can also do skins if needed.

I dont know much about the actual nuts and bolts of the seasons etc. but i do like to make skins. Only done a few. But it'd be great to make one or two that might actually get used.

I've done heaps of skins, possibly a hundred or more, some are very good, some are crap, most are somewhere in between. I can also do engines, gearing and HDV files for the unreleased models.

Ok, so New Zealand will get proper "championship status", only have to puzzle the various race grids into 1 big one, not to much informations about those tho, beside Wellington and Pukekohe. Macau will go in the Misc category.

I'm not sure on adding separate filters for each of the ETCC races as we already got roughly 40 different filter entries and this would make it even more confusing. Oh the simplicity of todays race series ...

About the tire brands, it certainly should be in some of the mid 2000's F1 mods, but then again there weren't cars of the same team using different tire manufacturers. Looks like it could be done by using a second .hdv file which then links to a different .tbc (tire maker) file. but that involves most likely a lot of work. Could add an even bigger twist to things by adding the differences between each car tuner. So a Rouse Sierra would behave different to an Eggenberger, DJR, or Wolf one. but thats pretty much over the top.

Talent files sound good. With all those cars still to be done i hardly ever put effort into writing some.

For those of you that want to paint, this is great. But at the moment you would have to stick with non-australian cars for now, because
a) the old TCL painter Will still got a bunch of cars that I never received, which he will send me sometime soon.
b) David apparently has around a hundred of cars that should be integrated
and finally c) i just don't really have a lot of research material of anything down under.

if you're still up for it, send me a msg either via PN or hit me up on MSN, i'll find something for you to paint, there are still masses to do in all degrees of difficulty.

Oh, and BTW, i just released the first 1990 ATCC package.

Merry Xmas to all of you!

T-Man wrote:Oh, and BTW, i just released the first 1990 ATCC package.

Merry Xmas to all of you!

Merry Christmas to you too T-Man, and thanks for the christmas gift

T-Man wrote:
Oh, and BTW, i just released the first 1990 ATCC package.

Merry Xmas to all of you!

Thank you! That is a fabulous Christmas present to all of us!

Hey everyone! Great to see TCL being revived.

I posted some TCL skins on RfactorCentral in the past year that everyone should feel free to include in whatever packs they might want to make. (Same username) I was still learning and I could probably do better if I re did them now (which I would be happy to do if any wants this) Additionally I have quite a few extra ones that I haven't released, however I would guess some of these are the same as what David has made and what the original skinner T-Man was referring to has done.

I have recently been working on some 1985 ATCC skins and I would be happy to contribute these if no one has them. Also add me to the list of people happy to create new skins.

Otherwise I have also been modifying my own TCL installation to improve realism and I have a reasonable understanding of talent, engine and hdv files, etc, so I'd also love to help out in any other ways that I can.

Really excited with whats happening to TCL... def my favourite mod on rFactor by far.

I have been messing around with car sounds for my OFFLINE TCL install, if anyone would like to try these sounds hit me up... These aren't brand new sounds more mixes of other mods etc...

I've played around with the Corolla sounds to give them a more accurate sound.
M3 i've converted over from Race07 WTCC 87 add on.. They are perfect!!
Sierra i feel is a better sounding car outside... Used some sounds from a Rallycross mod... plus check these out...

A great Mustang WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbdNX3uPcGc&list=UUHrlZwJIeP_0SfXk02hp73Q&index=1&feature=plcp

Fantastic Commodore Sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN0lLLGMyL8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

teiresias wrote:Hey everyone! Great to see TCL being revived.

I posted some TCL skins on RfactorCentral in the past year that everyone should feel free to include in whatever packs they might want to make. (Same username) I was still learning and I could probably do better if I re did them now (which I would be happy to do if any wants this) Additionally I have quite a few extra ones that I haven't released, however I would guess some of these are the same as what David has made and what the original skinner T-Man was referring to has done.

I have recently been working on some 1985 ATCC skins and I would be happy to contribute these if no one has them. Also add me to the list of people happy to create new skins.

Many of the skins you have created are for cars that I have also skinned. As soon as i saw your skins, i deleted mine and installed yours! Yours are that much better! Please keep releasing them.

G`day there ole matey`s

Just wanna put my hand up to help out with some skins no credit required
ive gotten plenty out of this mod my favorite by a long shot.
Im a retired old Signwriter i used to skin real cars for a living and everything
in between, I still have my signmaking software from 1995 wich is very handy to
create the lettering as most of the liveries from this era were hand painted
and not sticky back lettering or "computer cut Fonts" (< swear word).
Im just able to do more with lettering and shapes than in Photo Shop, correll or illustrator.
just send me details of Car, Number were it raced and ill chase up the rest.

Realy excited to see this mod continue to grow
good onya Mate

Hey Mates,

I'd like you guys to tell me the differences between the 1985 Holden Commodore VK and the later 1986 version. I know the rear wing obviously wasn't there in '85, also the Front grille was a different style, were there any othere changes? the lower front looks slightly different in the few pictures i have found. anything else changed? (wheelarches, rear bumper, etc.?)

Photos showing the differences would be greatly appreciated

Thanks.

The 1986 version had a deeper front bar incorporating a chin spoiler. The '85 version had no front spoiler. There were no other external differences, aside from the rear spoiler and grille you mentioned.

There were two '85 versions, both had significantly less power than the '86 version. The early '85 version had a 4 speed gearbox and weighed 1400kg. The late '85 version, like all later models, had a 5 speed gearbox and weighed 1325kg.

Well removing the rear spoiler would be a thing of 2-3 minutes, as its a seperate part of the car, not attached polygon-wise to the rest of the body. also no mapping problems should occur. switching the front grille would mean at least the grille would need to be remapped. Redoing the front bumper might be a bit more complicated, or maybe its just moving a couple of polygons a bit towards the back, thats up to the modeller.

for the fans here's a review of what is coming.... race format is incorrect on this poster updated later when benny makes me a page.

Great to see the new cars being put to use!

If you haven't i'd recommend you trying out the new 1988 version of Hockenheim. It's purpose made for the 1988 F1 mod and really great in every way, only needs the short layout.

oh, btw. this looks suspiciously like the M3 from Race, not ours

T-Man wrote:Great to see the new cars being put to use!

what better way to test than in league racing, we will try out all your new ones.. 84/85 btcc.... 1990 atcc

T-Man wrote:If you haven't i'd recommend you trying out the new 1988 version of Hockenheim. It's purpose made for the 1988 F1 mod and really great in every way, only needs the short layout.

have tested, wasn't sure which one was more true to the series?? 88 is more correct then i take it

T-Man wrote:oh, btw. this looks suspiciously like the M3 from Race, not ours

my bad lol
w26

Lookin' good Wally. I trust the usual suspects will be in Mercs?

mozza wrote:Lookin' good Wally. I trust the usual suspects will be in Mercs?

is there any other make worthy

Wally26 wrote:
have tested, wasn't sure which one was more true to the series?? 88 is more correct then i take it

The only difference layout wise between '79 and '88 is the chicane at the Ost Kurve, which was built for 1982. I guess it just comes down to whether we want to use the chicane or take the very quick corner

Just finished uploading the 1990 BTCC carpack, grab it here:

http://www.multiupload.com/FP5NSLZH8U

Have fun!

that link isn't working.

Hmm yea, for some odd reason it doesnt. Might have something to do with this ad site it's passing by on the way to the proper site. The facebook link works fine tho, i will change the link here once i get home and got some sleep, doing Nightshifts atm...

Great stuff T-Man, thanks

I've done something silly. I added the extra models and extra skins to my second rFactor install (with modified TCL for offline use) and eventually got them all more or less working.

Then I decided to copy them to my primary rFactor install (with pristine TCL for online use) and now only the new cars are visible, everything thing else is a grey box marked temp!

What do i do? My old backup has been deleted and my current backup predates only some of the changes. I might try reinstalling the backed-up version of TCL and see how that goes. Otherwise, what are my options? I don't feel like re-d/ling TCL and I'm reluctant to gve up online racing. I really enjoy doing TCL races with TTR, not sure about this new teamspeak though.......

Has anyone else added the new skins or new models to their online version of TCL? How did it go, any problems?

im assuming you dont have the download saved, as you said you dont wanna dl it again.

only thing i can think of is do a system restore to the latest point?

i only have one version of TCL, i just installed all the new files into that. I use it for online and offline racing.

sounds like you will have to DL the installer again. just chuck it on overnight.
or pm me your address and ill send it to you on a dvd.

as for the teamspeak issue, just grab a mic for your computer that sits on your desk.
run the sound through your normal pc speakers, easy. you can mute it when you dont wanna be distracted.

like me

Woohoo! I found a pristine copy of TCL v1.1 saved in my d/l folder on the C:drive, who'd have thought to look there?

Anyway, that has been installed and now my online version of TCL is working just fine. Yay!!! Now, if only there was a server running TCL, I could test it to make sure it works OK online.

Hey Everyone, just uploaded the Alfa Romeo GTV6 for your pleasure.

Grab it here http://www.ttrracing.com/tcl/downloads.html

Simply unpack the archive into your rfactor root folder, cars should be in ATCC86 and Bathurst86, aswell in BTCC84&85 if you already have that carpack.


Enjoy the car.

T-Man wrote:Hey Everyone, just uploaded the Alfa Romeo GTV6 for your pleasure.

Grab it here http://www.ttrracing.com/tcl/downloads.html

Simply unpack the archive into your rfactor root folder, cars should be in ATCC86 and Bathurst86, aswell in BTCC84&85 if you already have that carpack.


Enjoy the car.

Fantastic T-Man, great work

Looking forward to having a drive of it

Hello guys

First of all, thanks for all the work put into this mod. Secondly, I'm a bit stuck and need some help with something.

In TCL there's default championships for the BTCC and DTM in 1988 I believe. But I wanted to 'create' a championship season for a single year (ATCC 1990 to be specific) but every time I try - both with and without external plugins - I can't make it 'class specific' and get a range of everything from 85 Rovers to the 90 BTCC Sierra's. Is there any way in rfactor (or the mod, or you guys...) to create a simple ATCC Championship season file, or at least point me in the right direction?

I'm not a huge online racer (as I'm a bit rubbish) and it's the only thing holding the mod back off line for me.

Cheers!

just seen this on rf central.. is this packs we been downloading here???

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Touring%20Car%20Legends%20Portugal%20Add%20On

Looks different to me...

This is something else, i have emailed Marcel to notify him, haven't got a reply.

i loked there facebook page and they been postin ttr stuff on there..???

k, this is the same mob i think that built(term i may use loosely after viewing facebook page) the gt3 mod we recently tried out.

I have no knowledge of Benny allowing ttr downloads to be on their site
and I have no knowledge that permission was asked to make this mod off tcl guys.

thanks for the info, if benny or m havent seen this yet i will ring benny and see if he has knowledge etc

W26

Some one has gone on there site and posted our link

David Paterson wrote:This is something else, i have emailed Marcel to notify him, haven't got a reply.

Marcel just replied. The main creator of the Portugese add-on is a friend of Marcel and one of the original TCL creators. I guess that make it legit.

Linkning to our d/l resource is another story............

Hi Guys
Need some help please, I dont have TCL what do I need to download and from where to have the TCL that's compatible at TTR Racing Thanks Toey

I'll personal message you with the links soon mate

TTR Benny wrote:I'll personal message you with the links soon mate

Thank you much appreciated.

Itching for the merc evo2..

Any chance we could get those sounds early to throw onto original mercs ?

I was quite surprised by those sounds myself, I had no clue we had new ones up our sleeves...

But I guess you'll have to wait untill the Evo2 is out.

Even I don't have it yet, can't wait to slap some paint on it...

Greetings!


As a son of a former racer of a TWR rover in the Portuguese national championship, i loved this mod since day one.

So after years learning the ropes in sound modding, i decided finally to make new scratch sounds for it. I am half way done, altough it's hard to find good recordings of some of the cars. I wish to see this mod completed, and i never liked much the sounds that were later included in the racedepartment "mod".

Best Regards to all here.

I am already uploading videos and files of some of the sounds i created here:




http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9054&page=12

First up, big thanks for accepting my request to join the forum. I really appreciate that. I can't think of a better place to be than an Australian/NZ forum about TCL!
I saw my first BTCC race on TV here in the UK in 1988 (Oulton Park - the one where Alan Minshaw flipped it over the barrier) and my favourite race was the ETCC TT race at Silverstone which introduced me into the world of Oz Touring Car racing through Dick Johnson and his amazing Redkote Sierra. Managed to catch the Bathurst highlights here on the Beeb that year and was pretty much hooked.

TCL is why I bought rFactor and is the best mod for me.

Just a quick question which I'm hoping someone can help with. The ETCC and ATCC all seem pretty accurate in terms of AI grid placings and race placings (although I'd love to be able to edit and tweak them but don't know how) but my BTCC ones tend to be way off - in the 89 season Dave Pinkney and Sean Walker are always at the head of the field and Robb Gravett, Mike Smith (ok I'll let that one slide) and the two Kaliber RouseSport cars are way down the order. Does anyone know how I can 'boost' them a bit to get more realistic race order/grid orders?
Hope this is ok to ask!
Ta
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pretty sure it'd be that all the sierras have same physics as each other, not individually altered with drivers.

Hey forresthowie

To get a more realistic running order for the cars, you need to make talent files for each driver.

This is simpler than it sounds, there is a talent editor that allows you to set the speed etc.. of the drivers you are racing, here is a link to it:
http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=rFactor%20Talent%20Editor

As aus_chrisrx says, all the Sierra's for example are the same in the game, not tuned differently as they were in real life (eg.. an Eggenberger Sierra had little in common with a Rouse Sierra), so you need to play around with the drivers parameters to create some difference. (i have read about people playing with the physics though and coming up with difference specs for an Eggenberger Sierra, Rouse Sierra and a DJR Sierra etc... thats abit beyond me though)

It is very possible to get accurate results just from playing with the driver talent files though, by playing around i have it now for example that the Bagnall Sierra from the ATCC88 set is nowhere near as quick over a lap, even on a power circuit like say Symmons Plains, than the Crompton BMW M3 from the same ATCC88 set.

Also useful is this thread which helps make the racing against the AI much more realistic
http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189440

there would also need to be different reliability statistics added too.

That's brilliant thanks! I really appreciate that info. I'll have a fiddle and see how I get on.
Ta muchly
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