Round 3 - Thruxton - JUNE 16

should be fun! hows the latest points tally for the championship?

As a relative newbie to the online racing, will there be a gentlemans agreement regarding the last chicane at Thruxton? I cut a few practice laps and there's two ways through there, staying on the road & kerbs, or firing through the grass and gaining about 2 second of lap time.

Or is there a system of penallties that can be applied if competitors consistantly shortcut the chicane?

This is probably documented elsewhere in the forum, but just thought I'd raise it as we have raced at two circuits so far in the championship where firing through the grass gained you nothing....

Falcon EL why do u have different names everywhere.....its real simple to have the one name, U should make sure u have the same name in ts3 and in rfactor and here in these forum's and on sls.
As for cutting the track why would u want to ??? if u do its unfair for the people behind you.
if u do, u should come to a stop real quick (well off the racing line) then continue on.
Over at Outlaw racing, all races are reviewed and a time penalty is handed out for cutting, not readdressing, unsafe re-entry, incorrectly entering or exiting pits.
But here at ttr all they ask for is to keep 2 wheels on the black stuff at all times.

I've just fixed the name here, did so on SLS last week. Sorry for the name confusion, will fix on T3 next time I run it.

I don't want to cut the track, I was just making a point that the design of the last chicane promotes demon braking manouvres which could result in potential tears.....
I must say though that everyone I have raced against here so far has been very fair, so no complaints from me at this stage!

We certainly are able to review, and if there's consistent cutting reported that gains any advantage, an appropriate penalty can be handed out.

Rules is rules: https://transtasmanrivals.forumotion.com/t2-rules-for-trans-tasman-rivals

So no race tonight then???

sulley43 wrote:So no race tonight then???

No week off this week. Traditonally turnouts have been pretty poor over the past long weekends/holidays on the Sunday nights, so we've planned these as weeks off for the series.

good night to practice if you have a leave pass or get some brownie points and take the missus to the movies
also new live racers link is
http://ttrracing.liveracers.info/Live

Just as well, new vidcard doesnt support XP so have to reinstall rFactor in Win7..LOLS

Hey people, what's going on?

Got a bit of spare time atm, so I thought I'd come do a couple races in this series. Looks like there's still a pretty good turnout. Glad to see things are still going strong around here.

I'm pretty rusty haha, and the PS3 controller isn't kind but should be good still. I'll try and stay out of the way. Hahaha.

I'm gonna jump in the old faithful M3, see if I can put it in the top ten at least.

See you out there.

Shaynskyline.

Awesome Shayn, look forward to seeing you on track! Series is a ripper, field very close, and good competition throughout

Sounds Great.

Hey can a mod please go into the server and change the track back to Thruxton?

Some noob (lol) stayed in too long and its skipped to the next track.

Last sector is killin me. Stoopid chicanery.

If you want to do some race practice set up an AI race to 10 laps. Set the difficulty to 120% and like 15 opponents. At that speed the best lap times they will manage is like 1.24 flat.

Once on the grid, dont bother qualifying you will make it too easy. Start at the back and give everyone abouuuut a 48 second head start.

I did this three times in a row, i got 3rd 1st and 1st. You have to drive your ass off and make sure you dont spin, because if you do you probably wont win.

Its nothing new, just saying its a good way to get some proper practice against opponents. Even though they are horribly slow. (no offence to people who are currently doing 24s.)

My lap times ranged from mid20s to low 21s. So for those faster than that, give em some more room at the start.

You're welcome.

I stepped out to let 20th driver race as I'm the newbie here, but can you please set server to "256 kps" so we can have up to 31 drivers - unless there is really a bandwidth / server problem with more than 20 cars.

buggar, game full see ya's next week

Huge thanks Vandem. 

That's a shame people had to drop. I thought the server was set to 26 slots?

Great racing tonight. The second race was awesome. First I was battling Shanskyline, which was awesome, but then had to try and pass DV-8. What an epic battle! That was some great racing without too much rubbing!
Most of the time we were neck and neck

Put in hours of practice to get the car setup and get a handle on the Alfa. 
Get to race day and watch as person after person cut the curbs to gain an advantage then for the second time in the series get wiped out. Grunter i realize it wasn't intentional. 

It's not Fun at all to waste all the practice time. Last week i was angry, doing pretty well and getting wiped out on the last lap and then this happens. Like i said Grunter i'm not blaming your accident and Killer apologized for his mistake. So then there is no point going on i'm pissed off, so i quit to garage. I'm on ts, so are the majority and i know they are busy racing but this is what really got me going is "do you want a restart? Someone tell Racer". Meaning someone had to potentially ruin their own race (if it wasn't passed by vote) by stopping and starting a vote or typing to racer.

Then get told I needed to vote for restart. Why? Why isn't the admin of the race on teamspeak? We all get asked to do so, it seems pretty stupid for the admin not to be. Racer please tell me as i don't know your circumstances.

Slow n steady races for me, ON THE TRACK:suspect:

I had a solid run across both races. Qualifying was pretty bad, I think I was 12th but I made up some spots in race 1 to finish 7th or 8th. The start of race 2 was a mess, I ended up off the road but I don't think I lost many spots. Had a good battle with Growler for most of the race, once my tyres dropped away I went into defense mode but he got me on the last lap.
Having a brief look at the replay there did appear to be a fair bit of cutting at the chicane which I think needs to be looked at.

Results (and rd2) have been updated on sls

Had some good pace here, qualified 2nd and was very happy with that as I think a few should have been in front of me.
 
Race 1 had a good start, but not too long into the race I started having frame rate issues, which is very distracting and then fell off the track a few time as a result. Finished 6th in the end but results are showing 14th ?

Before race 2 started I restarted rfactor hoping to fix the frame rates but no go.
Had a great start didnt take to long to get to the front, but then the bad frame rate started getting worse again and couldnt run as quick as I liked. Everytime a car got close to mine the frame rates would get worse and all the slow corners were bad as well, anyway finished 3nd.

The last corners were hard to judge and easy to get wrong as I did a couple of times lol. But yeah if there were some cutting lap after lap then it should be looked at.

I was complaining all week to people about keeping 2 wheels on the black stuff, at all times no-one listened, It was still happening no-matter how-much I winged. So I figure stuff it, Im going to do what everyone else is, so I listened over ts3 for any warnings about having all 4-wheels out-side of the white lines, there was nothing, I looked at the text in rfactor about warnings for cutting a little, there was nothing, then watched the admin drive and figure stuff it, if he and everyone else is gonna cut the track a tiny bit (about a foot out-side the white lines) I am too just at that one spot before the finish line.
                         
                                                          Warnings where spose to handed out before the race not after. Its to later to hand-out cutting infringements. 
                         unless we do the 2 races again which I doubt.
I just watched the replay of race one and noticed that cortygt did more then cut the track he skipped a whole corner (in the rules it states that if one loses control and cuts the corner that person should come to a stop then continue on real quick) be he didn't even slow down a little. If yea gonna skip 10% of the track your gonna be a lap down, so why complain to the admin if your not racing properly. Over at the OR server you wouldn't be given a cutting infringement you would have been DQed.

You better watch the replay again killer and you will see that I didnt gain anything out of that mistake that I made and that I actually lost a position to Fez.
The reason I went a lap down is because there is a sector maker at around that part of the track.

No point bringing "OR up" as this is "TTR" LOL

And no, Everyone else didn't cut the track, I only left the racing surface in error a couple of times and was bumped off once, not once did I cut the final chicane...

Qualified Fourth wohoo!

Wheel settings decided to change after a session change and i had no controls in race one, brake stuck on, no gear paddles etc. Pulled out. Shattered. 

Race 2, i started 3rd due to DNF first race. #rd corner got shunted by some eager beaver trying to win on Lap 1. FFS. Ended up back in 14th spot. Passed a couple guys and spent the rest of the race fighting with Growler. He did a really great job in that Merc and i was hard to hold him back once i passed him early. Then has little chance of getting back by him towards the end of the race. Great drive man, you and DV8 too, really good fast racing. Came unstuck late on the chicane (bastard thing) and fell back 10 seconds, cruised home in 12th with screaming tyres. 

As for the chicane. I saw lots of people just bouncing over it regardless of the guidelines. Poor. We have standards for a reason. Do the right thing and practice more if you want to go faster. Dont cut the track. Simple. Two wheels on the black stuff. It isnt hard. 


Finally. Thankyou Fez.

u for real shane, u where the main cutter during practice over the last week doing the wrong thing..... I will have a look at the replay of race one

well shane lap one u had a 4 wheels out-side the white lines at the chicane do I need to continue ??

During practice the week prior to Thruxton, I took on board Killers criticism and would like to think I did a fair job of being FAIR about how I took the last chicane during Qualifying and Race 2 on Sunday night.  (Race 1 - I was booted out due to my stoopid AV update killing my connection....)

(Killer, let me know how I went if you are checking the replay, I'm happy to cop any criticism).

I reckon I lost heaps of time compared to most of the guys I was racing with coming out of that chicane, so was trying to make it all back up elsewhere!!

I will have a look CD
I just looked at lap 1 race 1 and webber who is in first cut twice on the very first lap 

               At the chicane people can only make up about .2 of sec which isn't much, but when u have a look at webber cutting on turn 4 which is a left turn he has lots of the car completely out side of the white lines gaining at least 1 sec per lap in that one spot. I really think we should ignore the chicane before the start line, unless there gunning it though there in 3rd gear or something.

ffs this an an admins job not mine  (reviewing)
who's fault is this, well I believe its the person who made the track and the person who picked the track not the drivers..... most tracks cant be cut, and if u do your car has a spastic (like me  ) so im refusing to criticize the drivers.
its not oh fault

lap 1 race 1 even the admin guy racer69 was cutting at turn 4 so.....
lets just continue on with the championship.

  
                                  lets just get on with it

I agree growler lets just get on with the next track (cadwell) she's a rollercoaster

1. the server is 20 slots... with the 26 slot available if needed... so its not a bandwidth issue... it's the server slots some of us pay for...
2.While we appreciate everyone's input... please refrain from bagging a fellow racer / member in the forum... if you think someone is playing outside the rules.. PM an admin and please let them deal with it.
3. While I am not a TCL regular I know the names mentioned are not known for what they are being bagged for... 
4. Not just the admin should be on TS... ALL racers are required to be on it... a rule we all seem to have forgotten.. and it is this sort of incident that is avoided by the rules being followed...

 kiwi

"People, this is supposed to be a happy occasion, let's not argue and bicker about 'oo killed 'oo."

I've been thinking about this and have watched the replays.

Regarding the chicane, nearly everybody had laps where they didn't get the chicanes absolutly perfect, but i also did not see people purposely trying to 'cheat' in that sense of the word.

Regarding the bit of tarmac on the outside of the chicane exit, these parts of the race track have long been allowed to be used at TTR. This issue first came up from memory with the last turn at Barbagallo, it was decided that going wide on the exit was allowed, because you were making the track effectively longer, not cutting it. The only stipulation being that you were required to make a safe re-entry to the racing line.

Regarding the admins job to do with corner cutting and reviewing replays, to an extent yes it is my job to do it, however we are all adults here know what is corner cutting and what isn't. This is supposed to be a fun and enjoyable environment to race in, not heated or controversial, we are all racing for fun, not for sheep stations.

If you have particular issues with a nights racing, let me know via PM and i will have a look at it.


OR~Killerkeys - I usually go through PM for this kind of thing, but in the interests of defending myself about "Race 1, Lap 1, Turn 4",

I got an accidental hit up the rear approaching turn 3 which pushed me off track, my choice was re-enter on the racing line in-between 3 & 4 which is right on the racing line, or go across to the exit of turn 4 an re-enter off the racing line. I left the track in 8th place, re-joined in 14th, so i do not see how that is cutting the course to gain an advantage